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Maybe we should tell each other what sites we have archived on ours boxes ? I just started on http://ficlets.com/ . Joseph 12/01/09 5:20pm
 
Maybe we should tell each other what sites we have archived on ours boxes ? I just started on http://ficlets.com/ . Joseph 12/01/09 5:20pm
  
== How to get content removed??? ==
 
 
can you please remove this page:
 
http://geociti.es/CollegePark/2498/friends.html
 
it contains my friends' contact details and home address, as well as many others. If it was still on geocities i would do it myself but i can't see how to "reclaim" ownership of the content on your archive server. thanks, amen (Gan Huay Wen).
 
 
== oop ==
 
  
 
i see that you noticed this, but each site page has a place for you to put your sig if you are working on it :)
 
i see that you noticed this, but each site page has a place for you to put your sig if you are working on it :)
 
--[[User:Ross|Ross]] 02:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 
--[[User:Ross|Ross]] 02:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Hi, sorry to leave a message here but I don't know how to navigate these pages. Can someone please remove my pages from geociti.es please? I moved my pages from geocities ages back to my own website but I left a copy on geocities since it was going to close down anyway and I wanted to stay till the end. The reocities guy kindly removed his copy of my pages from his site and I would much appreciate it if you can do the same.
 
 
My id is rainforest 4620
 
http://geociti.es/RainForest/4620/ and you will see my email address on there which is rabbit@wantree.com.au  That email address still comes to me since iinet purchased wantree years ago. I have been at wantree/iinet for over 13 years now. My pages are at http://members.iinet.net.au/~rabbit/anveg.htm
 
 
Perhaps you can leave some details somewhere for other people like me of how to contact the owner of the site for people who may not want their pages copied too since I could not find an email address for your site anywhere.
 
 
Cheers, Anita
 
  
 
== Logo ideas ==
 
== Logo ideas ==
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* PRT webzine (all about alternative transportation) [[User:Pashute|Pashute]] 14:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 
* PRT webzine (all about alternative transportation) [[User:Pashute|Pashute]] 14:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  
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Hi Archiveteam !
 
  
Could you please remove my ex-pages at Geocities at this address http://geociti.es/CollegePark/Center/4434/? It was my resume and I have deleted them before the shutdown of geocities. I don't want to see it anymore on the internet and I would really appreciate if you can remove it asap please.
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== Formatting awkwardness ==
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FYI, when you view the front page in a browser window that's not super-wide (1120px or more), the "History is our Future" box looks really awkward. The text gets smushed into a tiny, really, long column next to the image. An admin should really change the layout to one column, with the image above the text.
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--[[User:Qwerty0|Qwerty0]] 12:55, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
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:Now better? [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 07:32, 6 April 2012 (EDT)
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== Updating "Ended Projects" Section ==
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The "Ended Projects" section of the main page (bottom right) has several sub-bullets intended to act as quick links to archives. As of now, they are stubs. The [[ArchiveTeam Warrior]] page has links for archives to most of them. They are:
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* [[MobileMe]] - Apple's file storage and sharing service, currently hosting over 200 terabytes of data, shut down on June 30, 2012.
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** [http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-mobileme-hero archive] [http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-mobileme-index index] [http://archive.org/download/archiveteam-mobileme-index/mobileme-20120817.html user lookup]
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* [[Tabblo]] - A site where users told stories with pictures. Closed May 30, 2012.
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** [http://archive.org/details/tabblo-archive archive] [http://archive.org/download/test-memac-index-test/tabblo.html user lookup]
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* [[FanFiction.Net]] - Around 7 million fan-fiction stories hosted on what may be the largest site of its kind in the world. They're not shutting down but Archiveteam has a copy "just in case".
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** No official collection at archive.org yet. Raw WARCs available at [http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3A%22archiveteam%22%20AND%20%28fanfiction%29 this search query] on archive.org.
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* [[Geocities]] - We archived most of geocities mother fuckers!
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** [http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6353395/Geocities_-_The_PATCHED_Torrent Geocities - The PATCHED Torrent] as well as [http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities archive.org] listings.
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* [[FortuneCity]] - It may be gone but we've still got it
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** [http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-fortunecity archive] [http://archive.org/download/test-memac-index-test/fortunecity.html user lookup]
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As well, the FortuneCity bullet is red-linked atm, since the actual page at [[FortuneCity]] that documented the archiving efforts has no space in its title.
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== Recruitment ==
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I really think that the main page should have a constantly up to date "[how to] help us!" section in the most prominent place possible. Probably, right above or below the "Archive time" logo, a well visible box should atttract people to [[ArchiveTeam Warrior]] instructions for joining the constant efforts.
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Currently, unless one follows very closely the highly noisy IRC and Twitter chats, it's very hard to keep track of ongoing projects; the mailing list is not used at all. Our best chances are probably in building a big base of people who constantly run warrior instances with no need to worry about them. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 07:49, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
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:I have a feeling that it may be the best to have the banner above the two main column boxes. I've started a page 'fork' over on [[User:GLaDOS/adventuretime]]. --[[User:GLaDOS|GLaDOS]] 07:57, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
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== Site deaths ==
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Case maintains this list of http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths  (and prospective site deaths).  A useful list to check periodically.
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== Quotes on main page ==
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Maybe the quotes section could have monthly updates? Topics for the quotes could be about web history, link rot, preservation, service shutdown, etc. An example:
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* ''"The loss of Twitpic will scoop out and destroy a massive, massive amount of twitter history. Even @librarycongress doesn't have this."''
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'''''ArchiveTeam Twitter Feed'''''
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[[User:Olicool10|Olicool10]] 13:06, 7 February 2015 (EST)
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== Suggestions for ArchiveTeam Wiki ==
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=== Moderated guest edits ===
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On the [[Wikipedia:German Wikipedia|German Wikipedia]], there is something called [[Wikipedia:WP:Sighting|“Sighting”]]. It means that  users with the role “[[Wikipedia:de:WP:Aktiver Sichter|Active Sighter]]” or higher (e.g. [[Wikipedia:en:wp:sysop|“sysop”]]) can unlock (approve) edits by these new users and IP users before they become officialyl visible.
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I believe that guests (acountless IP editors) could make constructive edits to pages such as [[List_of_lost_online_videos]] and I believe that the number of [[Wikipedia:WP:Good faith|users with good faith]] outweighs disruptive users such as [[User:Megalanya0]] (this is an extreme example) by far.
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Just a suggestion, I would love to listen to your opinion. --[[User:ATrescue|ATrescue]] ([[User talk:ATrescue|talk]]) 15:12, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
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=== Instant-Thanks ===
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This [[Wikipedia:WP:Notifications/Thanks|feature from the English Wikipedia]] could be useful for ArchiveTeam Wiki, as an immediate way of showing appreciation to a user's edit.
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=== [[Wikipedia:WP:visual editor|Visual Editor]] ===
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I have no problem with [[Wikipedia:Help:wikitext|Wikitext source code]] editing, and wikitext is easy to understand + more versatile, but new and inexperienced users might have trouble editing, in particular, '''the source code of <u style="color:blue;">[[List of lost online videos/list|big tables such as this one]].'''</u>
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Editing tables is really much, much more comfortable with Visual Editor. One can also easily move entire columns at once. At the moment, there is a workaround new users could use: Temporarily copying the table source code to a sandbox page on Wikipedia, visual-edit it there and bring it back here.
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But please keep source code editor as default editor, or user-selectible. It is easy to open the visual instead of source code editor accidentially on Wikipedia. --[[User:ATrescue|ATrescue]] ([[User talk:ATrescue|talk]]) 22:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
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=== Mobile website option ===
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I know that ArchiveTeam is mostly edited by Linux desktop PC (including laptops) power users, but when editing from a mobile phone on the go, a [[Wikipedia:Mobile#Mobile_version_of_the_site|mobile version of the website]] '''with mobile editing functionality could certainly come in handy''' (pun intended).
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The mobile version of Wikipedia tries to be more convenient for newbie users by greeting and congratulating messages for various accomplishments on the site (e.g. registering, creating new article), it has a “Related articles” section, a [[Wikipedia:Special:Nearby|“Nearby” feature]] in the menu box (also accessible via desktop page via URL); smiling icons and has a “tagline” feature (subheader of page title) and a more newbie-friendly talk page browser. Of course, the mobile website is, like any mobile website usually is, more minimal and less functional, but '''ArchiveTeam consists of maximalists and experienced people''' for whom it does not make a difference. <br />'''But''' for editing on the go, the mobile page is more suitable and comfortable than the desktop page, so I suggest ArchiveTeam to add a mobile website option.
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On Wikipedia, one can switch between mobile and desktop version at the bottom of the site.
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I prefer the desktop page of course, but the mobile page user interface is better suited for mobile browsing and editing, despite less functional.
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--[[User:ATrescue|ATrescue]] ([[User talk:ATrescue|talk]]) 12:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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=== Pinging ===
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Ability to notify users (e.g. {{ping|PurpleSymphony}}), see [[Wikipedia:WP:Ping]] for more information.
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<br />Could be highly userful for ArchiveTeam wiki. --[[User:ATrescue|ATrescue]] ([[User talk:ATrescue|talk]]) 19:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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:We use the wiki for documentation, not communication. Many people probably wouldn't see such a ping for weeks or months. IRC's better suited for this. [[User:JustAnotherArchivist|JustAnotherArchivist]] ([[User talk:JustAnotherArchivist|talk]]) 22:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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:: I see. I just saw your reply in my watchlist. --[[User:ATrescue|ATrescue]] ([[User talk:ATrescue|talk]]) 11:15, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
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:: …but to some extents, communication and discussions could be documentation. --[[User:ATrescue|ATrescue]] ([[User talk:ATrescue|talk]]) 12:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
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=== SVG upload ===
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See {{W|WP:SVG}}.
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=== More advanced page [[Wikipedia:Template:Protection_table|protection levels]] ===
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Unlike [[Wikipedia]], [[ArchiveTeam]] Wiki does not have a significant {{W2+|WP:VNDL|vandal(ism)}} problem.
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I suggest allowing {{W2+|WP:IP|guest users}} to be able to edit usual pages such as ''[[List of lost online videos/list]]'' through {{W2+|WP:WHITELOCK|Pending changes protection.}} Similar to {{W2|WP:Sighting}}. From [[Special:Contributions/Anonymous]], there had been some non-constructive edits, but also {{W2+|WP:GF|good-faithed}} ones. Maybe we should {{W2+|WP:IP|record IP addresses into the edit history like Wikipedia does}}.
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{{W2+|WP:WHITELOCK|Pending changes protection}} is more constructive than {{W2+|WP:SILVERLOCK|semi-protection}}, because the former allows constructive edits by new users to pass through while one can filter out the counter-productive, [[MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Keep Megalanyas out.|megalanyic]] ones. And there are more {{W2+|WP:AGF|good-faithed users}} than MegaLanyas out there.
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For higher-traffic pages such as the [[Main Page]], or to prevent {{W2+|WP:editwar|edit wars}} if a page becomes controversial, I suggest an {{W2+|WP:BLUELOCK|extended 30-500 protection}} and a {{W2+|WP:GREENLOCK|page move protection}} as an alternative to {{W2+|WP:GOLDLOCK|the full protection}}, in order to allow more reputable users (who are usually good-faithed) to make improvements to a page.
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{{W2+|WP:ORANGELOCK|Pending changes protection – Level 2}} could also be viable for some sensitive pages as well. It's difference from {{W2+|WP:SILVERLOCK|Pending changes protection – Level 1}} is that it also requires edits by {{W2+|WP:autoconfirmed|''AutoConfirmed'' users}} to be verified first.
  
Thanks in advance for your help and understanding,
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--[[User:ATrescue|ATrescue]] ([[User talk:ATrescue|talk]]) 14:33, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Cheers, Mat
 
  
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=== URL captcha ===
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It would be good if {{W2+|Wikipedia:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED|''extendedconfirmed''}} users no longer have to answer “WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD” each time they add a URL to a page. --[[User:ATrescue|ATrescue]] ([[User talk:ATrescue|talk]]) 14:33, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 14:40, 15 May 2019

Maybe we should tell each other what sites we have archived on ours boxes ? I just started on http://ficlets.com/ . Joseph 12/01/09 5:20pm


i see that you noticed this, but each site page has a place for you to put your sig if you are working on it :) --Ross 02:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Logo ideas

Some logo/banner ideas I came up with when I had a bit of spare time. I'd appreciate it if people let me know what they think. --Josef K.

Large logo (note 80s pseudo-neon text
Small Logo
Logo with text only

NICE --Ross 20:17, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Added as our corner logo. --Jscott 23:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Corrections

I can't edit this page. The "C" in "GeoCities" needs to be capitalized. --Jimhabegger 07:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

What and where

IMPORTANT!!! Several things should be made clear on the main page for the readers of this site:

  • a. Price: What will be done with the archived files? Will they be available for free to the public, or will there be a fee for it?
  • b. UX: What is the user interface for retrieving the information?
  • c. Availability: Is the info available now, or will it be so in the future?

I reached here when googling (or yahooing) for 'Archive Geocities'. I believe most other will do so too.
Thanks.

My pages were geocities.com/pashute1.
I had:

  • ynventor (about my early inventions 10 years ago),
  • beair (about an open school system in Israel)
  • PRT webzine (all about alternative transportation) Pashute 14:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)




Formatting awkwardness

FYI, when you view the front page in a browser window that's not super-wide (1120px or more), the "History is our Future" box looks really awkward. The text gets smushed into a tiny, really, long column next to the image. An admin should really change the layout to one column, with the image above the text. --Qwerty0 12:55, 5 April 2012 (EDT)

Now better? Emijrp 07:32, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

Updating "Ended Projects" Section

The "Ended Projects" section of the main page (bottom right) has several sub-bullets intended to act as quick links to archives. As of now, they are stubs. The ArchiveTeam Warrior page has links for archives to most of them. They are:

As well, the FortuneCity bullet is red-linked atm, since the actual page at FortuneCity that documented the archiving efforts has no space in its title.

Recruitment

I really think that the main page should have a constantly up to date "[how to] help us!" section in the most prominent place possible. Probably, right above or below the "Archive time" logo, a well visible box should atttract people to ArchiveTeam Warrior instructions for joining the constant efforts. Currently, unless one follows very closely the highly noisy IRC and Twitter chats, it's very hard to keep track of ongoing projects; the mailing list is not used at all. Our best chances are probably in building a big base of people who constantly run warrior instances with no need to worry about them. --Nemo 07:49, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

I have a feeling that it may be the best to have the banner above the two main column boxes. I've started a page 'fork' over on User:GLaDOS/adventuretime. --GLaDOS 07:57, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

Site deaths

Case maintains this list of http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (and prospective site deaths). A useful list to check periodically.

Quotes on main page

Maybe the quotes section could have monthly updates? Topics for the quotes could be about web history, link rot, preservation, service shutdown, etc. An example:

  • "The loss of Twitpic will scoop out and destroy a massive, massive amount of twitter history. Even @librarycongress doesn't have this."

ArchiveTeam Twitter Feed

Olicool10 13:06, 7 February 2015 (EST)

Suggestions for ArchiveTeam Wiki

Moderated guest edits

On the German Wikipedia, there is something called “Sighting”. It means that users with the role “Active Sighter” or higher (e.g. “sysop”) can unlock (approve) edits by these new users and IP users before they become officialyl visible.


I believe that guests (acountless IP editors) could make constructive edits to pages such as List_of_lost_online_videos and I believe that the number of users with good faith outweighs disruptive users such as User:Megalanya0 (this is an extreme example) by far.

Just a suggestion, I would love to listen to your opinion. --ATrescue (talk) 15:12, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Instant-Thanks

This feature from the English Wikipedia could be useful for ArchiveTeam Wiki, as an immediate way of showing appreciation to a user's edit.

Visual Editor

I have no problem with Wikitext source code editing, and wikitext is easy to understand + more versatile, but new and inexperienced users might have trouble editing, in particular, the source code of big tables such as this one.


Editing tables is really much, much more comfortable with Visual Editor. One can also easily move entire columns at once. At the moment, there is a workaround new users could use: Temporarily copying the table source code to a sandbox page on Wikipedia, visual-edit it there and bring it back here.

But please keep source code editor as default editor, or user-selectible. It is easy to open the visual instead of source code editor accidentially on Wikipedia. --ATrescue (talk) 22:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Mobile website option

I know that ArchiveTeam is mostly edited by Linux desktop PC (including laptops) power users, but when editing from a mobile phone on the go, a mobile version of the website with mobile editing functionality could certainly come in handy (pun intended).

The mobile version of Wikipedia tries to be more convenient for newbie users by greeting and congratulating messages for various accomplishments on the site (e.g. registering, creating new article), it has a “Related articles” section, a “Nearby” feature in the menu box (also accessible via desktop page via URL); smiling icons and has a “tagline” feature (subheader of page title) and a more newbie-friendly talk page browser. Of course, the mobile website is, like any mobile website usually is, more minimal and less functional, but ArchiveTeam consists of maximalists and experienced people for whom it does not make a difference.
But for editing on the go, the mobile page is more suitable and comfortable than the desktop page, so I suggest ArchiveTeam to add a mobile website option.

On Wikipedia, one can switch between mobile and desktop version at the bottom of the site.

I prefer the desktop page of course, but the mobile page user interface is better suited for mobile browsing and editing, despite less functional.

--ATrescue (talk) 12:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Pinging

Ability to notify users (e.g. Template:Ping), see Wikipedia:WP:Ping for more information.
Could be highly userful for ArchiveTeam wiki. --ATrescue (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

We use the wiki for documentation, not communication. Many people probably wouldn't see such a ping for weeks or months. IRC's better suited for this. JustAnotherArchivist (talk) 22:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I see. I just saw your reply in my watchlist. --ATrescue (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
…but to some extents, communication and discussions could be documentation. --ATrescue (talk) 12:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

SVG upload

See "WP:SVG" at Wikipedia.

More advanced page protection levels

Unlike Wikipedia, ArchiveTeam Wiki does not have a significant problem.

I suggest allowing to be able to edit usual pages such as List of lost online videos/list through Similar to . From Special:Contributions/Anonymous, there had been some non-constructive edits, but also ones. Maybe we should .

is more constructive than , because the former allows constructive edits by new users to pass through while one can filter out the counter-productive, megalanyic ones. And there are more  than MegaLanyas out there.

For higher-traffic pages such as the Main Page, or to prevent if a page becomes controversial, I suggest an and a as an alternative to , in order to allow more reputable users (who are usually good-faithed) to make improvements to a page.

could also be viable for some sensitive pages as well. It's difference from  is that it also requires edits by  to be verified first.

--ATrescue (talk) 14:33, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

URL captcha

It would be good if users no longer have to answer “WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD” each time they add a URL to a page. --ATrescue (talk) 14:33, 15 May 2019 (UTC)